About the 5th point "There is no rapture," do you mean to say that there is no pre-trib rapture, as commonly envisioned, or do you believe that there is no rapture at all?
Personally, I do not believe that there will be a Pre-tribulation rapture, but I Thessalonians 4:16-17 does say that there will be a rapture; that those who are alive on earth will be caught up to meet him in the air when he returns.
The historicity of Genesis 1-11 is also an increasingly controversial area. I assume you hold those chapters should be taken literally.
As to those who believe in Jesus being the true Israel, that should be non-controversial, as the Bible states it plainly. But that does not say who might be brought into that number through faith in Christ in the future.
If a significant number of Jews in the land of Israel should be brought into that number by Holy Ghost revival, as significant numbers of people in England and the American colonies were brought into the kingdom by such revival, that would not mean that all Jews will be saved on the basis of their ethnicity, anymore than all those who converted in England and the colonies were saved because of their ethnicity.
The Holy Spirit moves when and where he will and we cannot say him nay.
May there be a revival in Israel. I would celebrate it with you and the angels the day it happened.
I affirm the historical doctrine of the second coming. The term rapture is more often associated in theological terms with the dispensational pre-trib or mid-trib views.
There is one second coming, which we affirm and point to every time were take communion, and among other things.
As to Genesis 1-11 I believe in a relatively young earth, but I offer no dates, and would no be surprised if it was many more thousands than often consider by YEC’s. However, there is no warrant for the old ages proposed to suit the evolutionary worldview.
“All who believe in Jesus are true Israel.” Ok..., this is just Replacement Theology, with a cheap makeover.
1) Notice first of all this claim appears nowhere in Scripture
2) it is at best a half-truth
Now anyone pushing Replacement Theology, who in fact believes that since God has abandoned the Jews and that the Church has replaced Israel in all God’s Old Testament promises, must consider the warning appearing in Romans 11.
“But if some of the branches were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive, wast grafted in among them, and didst become partaker with them of the root of the fatness of the olive tree; glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; by their unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, neither will he spare thee. Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God’s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom. 11: 17-22)
The basic issue here is that (logically) if there is a warning, then inevitably there is a judgement awaiting those who ignore the warning... Something to give serious thought to.
Yes, but the church has historically referred to that as the second coming, or return of Christ. Rather than using a transliteration of an obscure word that comes from a Latin translation of the phrase, “caught up in the air.”
It is important to not muddy the waters. As the rapture is a doctrine that was developed in the 19th century to refer to a time when the Church would be removed from the world, to allow for the time of “Jacob’s struggle.”
Hence, I will continually affirm there is no rapture. But I will also happily clarify when asked what I mean by this.
If you accept that people are going to be caught up to meet Christ in the air, there is no need to insist on the word "rapture."
Obviously, Paul himself does not use the word "rapture." He uses the phrase "caught up," the word "rapture" being a popularization, but that should not obscure the idea itself.
The Greek verb involved, ἁρπάζω, is defined in a classical Greek dictionary (Liddell-Scott), with references to Homer and Herodotus, as "to snatch away," "to carry off."
The noun form, ἁρπαγή, is defined as seizure, rapine, robbery
About the 5th point "There is no rapture," do you mean to say that there is no pre-trib rapture, as commonly envisioned, or do you believe that there is no rapture at all?
Personally, I do not believe that there will be a Pre-tribulation rapture, but I Thessalonians 4:16-17 does say that there will be a rapture; that those who are alive on earth will be caught up to meet him in the air when he returns.
The historicity of Genesis 1-11 is also an increasingly controversial area. I assume you hold those chapters should be taken literally.
As to those who believe in Jesus being the true Israel, that should be non-controversial, as the Bible states it plainly. But that does not say who might be brought into that number through faith in Christ in the future.
If a significant number of Jews in the land of Israel should be brought into that number by Holy Ghost revival, as significant numbers of people in England and the American colonies were brought into the kingdom by such revival, that would not mean that all Jews will be saved on the basis of their ethnicity, anymore than all those who converted in England and the colonies were saved because of their ethnicity.
The Holy Spirit moves when and where he will and we cannot say him nay.
May there be a revival in Israel. I would celebrate it with you and the angels the day it happened.
I affirm the historical doctrine of the second coming. The term rapture is more often associated in theological terms with the dispensational pre-trib or mid-trib views.
There is one second coming, which we affirm and point to every time were take communion, and among other things.
As to Genesis 1-11 I believe in a relatively young earth, but I offer no dates, and would no be surprised if it was many more thousands than often consider by YEC’s. However, there is no warrant for the old ages proposed to suit the evolutionary worldview.
“All who believe in Jesus are true Israel.” Ok..., this is just Replacement Theology, with a cheap makeover.
1) Notice first of all this claim appears nowhere in Scripture
2) it is at best a half-truth
Now anyone pushing Replacement Theology, who in fact believes that since God has abandoned the Jews and that the Church has replaced Israel in all God’s Old Testament promises, must consider the warning appearing in Romans 11.
“But if some of the branches were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive, wast grafted in among them, and didst become partaker with them of the root of the fatness of the olive tree; glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; by their unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, neither will he spare thee. Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God’s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom. 11: 17-22)
The basic issue here is that (logically) if there is a warning, then inevitably there is a judgement awaiting those who ignore the warning... Something to give serious thought to.
How to prove you dont understand Christianity: Call historical Christian theology "replacement theology."
To use this term in this way is to establish ignorance of what Christianity is and fulfills.
Do you believe that when Christ returns those who are alive on earth at that time will be caught up to meet him in the air?
Yes, but the church has historically referred to that as the second coming, or return of Christ. Rather than using a transliteration of an obscure word that comes from a Latin translation of the phrase, “caught up in the air.”
It is important to not muddy the waters. As the rapture is a doctrine that was developed in the 19th century to refer to a time when the Church would be removed from the world, to allow for the time of “Jacob’s struggle.”
Hence, I will continually affirm there is no rapture. But I will also happily clarify when asked what I mean by this.
If you accept that people are going to be caught up to meet Christ in the air, there is no need to insist on the word "rapture."
Obviously, Paul himself does not use the word "rapture." He uses the phrase "caught up," the word "rapture" being a popularization, but that should not obscure the idea itself.
The Greek verb involved, ἁρπάζω, is defined in a classical Greek dictionary (Liddell-Scott), with references to Homer and Herodotus, as "to snatch away," "to carry off."
The noun form, ἁρπαγή, is defined as seizure, rapine, robbery